Is This The End of Link Building? Blog Networks Speak Out!
The fear police are out and about this month with billy clubs and tear gas. Comply! Comply!
I hate fear mongering, and right now, the “FEAR FEAR FEAR” mantra is being shouted screamed from the rooftops and too many folks are buying into it unawares. Add to that mess a lot of smug jerks who claim to have it all figured out (“I told you so…”) but are just as misinformed and we’ve got a DEFCON Level 9 pile of confusion, self-aggrandizing and B.S. stew.
It’s sickening.
But what’s the fuss?
Link building. SEO. Sustainability. Scary words like “banned” and “deindexed.”
What Happened With Blog Networks?
You know what a blog network is, yes? I’ve written about them here and here and here, for starters. You pay a monthly fee (with most of them) and in return may post your articles with links (presumably back to your site) to the network of sites they control. The networks vary WIDLEY in quality, price, etc.
They are considered black hat – or at least grey hat – by most. Keep in mind that any link building is considered “black hat” by Google. If you built a Squidoo page with the intention of linking back to your site, that’s “black hat” in Google’s eyes.
The bottom line is that some of these blog networks have been “found out” by Google (kudos to Build My Rank for manning up right away and admitting it) and Google has, in turn, deindexed the sites the blog networks own. That means that those blogs – which people have been posting articles with links on – can no longer be found in Google’s search results. And since they aren’t in Google’s index, any links from them no longer “count” for backlinking purposes.
Many folks are seeing a drop in rankings for their sites that relied on a “found out” blog network for backlinks.
And many folks have been getting or have already gotten warnings in their Google Webmaster Tools accounts for “unnatural link building.” Some folks claim their sites have been deindexed after this Webmaster Tools warning.
I have my own VERY STRONG opinions on all of this. And I’ll share them at the end of this article.
But what’s more interesting than what I think? What the blog networks themselves think!
Blog Networks Go on Record
I wrote to 6 blog networks and asked if they’d like to participate in this post by answering a few questions, setting the record straight, as it were. Two wanted in. Three didn’t reply and the last one cited too short a deadline. I first want to thank Linkvana and Article Marketing Automation for replying – a lot of folks in the “blog network” world are hiding under a rock right now and hoping no one notices them.
Neither of these networks have been “hit” by this latest change. I think their open participation in this discussion speaks volumes about the integrity of Linkvana and Article Marketing Automation’s ethics, their product, and their networks.
First, can you tell me a little about what Linkvana / AMA is and your role with the company?
Dave @ Linkvana: Hi Michelle – Sure, I run the day to day operations of Linkvana. I decide on the direction of Linkvana, what initiatives we want to tackle, and how to best position our sites for success in the future.
Linkvana is a linkbuilding hub where a client can get access to many different forms of backlinks in order to boost their rankings in the search engines. The cool part about Linkvana is that you choose your anchor text and the number of links you want – we make it easy to build very high quality links that get noticed by the search engines and really propel your rankings instead of building thousands of low quality links.
Daniel @ AMA: Marc [Lindsay] and I started AMA back in 2008, it was started as the (as far as I’m aware) first community driven blog network (when blog network wasn’t a dirty word) but as the “genre” has been more defined, it’s become less like the “typical” blog network (aka Build My Rank), and more akin to a semi automated guest posting system.
Talk to me about what kind of marketer benefits most from using Linkvana / AMA? Who’s your ideal client and why?
Dave @ Linkvana: We have some of the top SEO agencies in the world at LV, we have clients with a single ecommerce site, we have big names and people that are new to SEO. The marketer that benefits the most from Linkvana is someone that is able to make linkbuilding a priority and will use the system. We have an integration team at LV, so knowing SEO is not the number one thing in order to get benefit. The most important things are that you’re committed to build links, SEO as a growth strategy for your business, and you’ve got a site that does a decent job at converting traffic into some goal. You need more than just high rankings to make money on the internet, which is ultimately the end goal of 98% of our clients. We help with the high rankings part, but the ideal client is someone that has a converting sales funnel and wants to drive more diverse traffic to that funnel.
Daniel @ AMA: Our ideal client that understands AMA is someone who understands SEO, understands link building (diversity, velocity and quality) and most importantly, doesn’t spam (many people understand SEO but just don’t give a crap).
You may have seen Matt Cutt’s response to Dan Theis re: blog networks. How is Linkvana/ AMA preparing for – or have you already prepared for – this kind of search engine scrutiny?
Dave @ Linkvana: I think Linkvana is more or less the longest running [Michelle's edit: launched in 2007], and I am pretty proud of that.
Regardless of what many people think, de-indexing is not a new thing. Google’s team is always going to do their job the best they can, and they have some of the smartest people out there. Everyone knows that. Take Traffic Equalizer for example. There were people making millions of dollars a year in Adsense and affiliate offers wiped out overnight – I believe that was 04 or 05. Google is going to change. It’s a privately run company who is trying to do it’s best to serve accurate results – it’s revenue depends on the accuracy of it’s results.
LV is prepared for the changes to come because we take a more holistic approach. We don’t rely solely on high page rank sites, and we don’t believe that’s what linkbuilding is all about. It’s a portion of your ranking, no doubt – but a marketer should not rely on one network of sites alone for their rankings.
Daniel @ AMA: Ultimately, if Google wants to take something down, they’ll take something down. They have people infinitely smarter than I am, I’m sure as hell no wonder boy genius
With that said, private networks (where the sites in the network are owned by one person) of any kind are dead, or will shortly be dead. What people don’t seem to remember, is that Google sees all, nothing is hidden, no matter the layers of “protection” people try to put in place. Never forget that.
The thing about that tweet, and ALN (and from that seomoz.org and the post that it surfaced from – for anyone interested feel free to look into it) – the core of it (and this is just speculation since Google is as Google does), is that one site had 5k odd links from the ALN network. And guess what. It was a (excuse the language) piece of $%@! site.
Would everyone have screamed so hard if it was Allstate.com or Nationwide.com? Nope, you would never have heard of it. The fact is, that site should have ranked for 24 hours maximum, and then periodically “retested” to see if it was worthy of the user.
Google needs to place MUCH more emphasis on the sites performance once it ranks, not the links they used to get there. The moment they do that, is the moment links become an irrelevant part of history that spammers can never use to manipulate, because if spammers built quality sites, they wouldn’t be spammers (I can’t see a spammer going out of his way to take the time to build an Allstate.com but hey you never know).
We all know Build My Rank’s network was deindexed, as they announced on their blog. How does Linkvana / AMA stand out or differentiate from Build My Rank and other services out there?
Dave @ Linkvana: BMR and LV have always done things differently. BMR was a great service from what I hear, and obviously they made a large impact on the market. We have several shared customers. I’d like to think that Linkvana is much more white hat than many of the other services.
Linkvana has some automation, but it seems like a lot of marketers are looking for a silver bullet… a service that the end user does nothing at all and moves their site to the top of google. That’s just not natural any way you cut it. It’s short lived. At Linkvana we’ve never given into what we feel are short lived strategies. Because of that, we can’t please every marketer out there. We can’t show them the URLS, and spin all their content, etc… Linkvana provides an effective service to it’s customers. It’s not flashy all the time, but we stay on top of SEO, we understand what moves a site to the top, and we make decisions based on what is in the best interest for our clients long term, not from a marketing perspective. Not everyone can say that.
Daniel @ AMA: The main distinction is this, in BMR the sites in there have one purpose, to generate backlinks back to the sites being promoted. Regardless of content quality, whether it’s good or bad, there is no incentive to NOT link to that site, because its primary purpose is to build links.
AMA is a self regulated social/community body. If a site owner doesn’t like the content, or the site it links to, they can reject it (and many do). Site owners can have full control over the content.
So for the users that submit rubbish, they either submit that rubbish and get it rejected by the site owner, and if it’s really bad, the site owner can flag them, in which case we review their account and give them a warning or kick them out (and if they rejoin and do it again ban their email/details, if they do it again, we ban their PayPal, etc. etc.). The better alternative, is that the user improves, they realize that they can’t just keep pushing crap, so they get better, write better content, build better sites and grow.
Should someone who’s used any kind of blog network – yours, Build My Rank, another – be worried?
Dave @ Linkvana: No. If that was the case, we could get our competition banned pretty quick. Just sign up for a linking service as your competition, and send links to their site and ban them… No, that’s not the way it works.
Here’s how it does work. Say you’ve put 1,000 links out to a bunch of sites. Say they were all on article sites that Google used to love, and now they don’t. So in Feb of 2012, you’ve got 1,000 links and you are sitting at the top of Google (because Google valued those links in Feb of 2012) for all the keywords you want. Now in March of 2012, Google decides they don’t like article sites anymore. Half your links get de-indexed and the other half get de-valued. Your site drops to number 30 in the rankings. Now, that is not a penalty. That’s a change in the way Google values links. They don’t value the particular linking method that you were using as much anymore, therefore your site doesn’t rank at the top anymore. It’s not that they are penalizing you or your site… it’s just that they are not valuing the methods that you’ve used to build links anymore.
Daniel @ AMA: Absolutely! But it goes for any type of link building. Link building is about diversity. Google will always be chasing spammers (as they should), which means Google will always be devaluing certain link types, and revaluing others (until they day they go all AI on us at which point link building won’t matter a hoot). If you’ve only built blog network links, or worse, only one type of blog network link, you’ll live a short life.
What’s the best way to use Linkvana / AMA in this current SEO climate?
Dave @ Linkvana: That’s a really big question, but basically you have to vary your anchor text and link to internal pages on your site. This is going to look natural and help your site the most in the long term. If you have a page on blue widgets (www.yourdomain.com/blue-widgets.html) – link about 40% of your links to the homepage (www.yourdomain.com) and the rest of the links to deep pages with the anchor text “blue widgets”, “widgets that are blue”, “blue widgets 2012″, “best blue widgets”, etc… This is natural and good. What is not natural is Google seeing 97% of your links pointing to your homepage with one keyword.
Daniel @ AMA: As with any type of link building. Do it properly. Do it within the realms of my blog post here [link forthcoming...]. Don’t spam. Do the right thing by the user on the site you’re promoting. Don’t give me cause to kick you in the nuts
Michelle’s Take on Blog Networks and the Future of Linkbuilding
Like Dave pointed out, deindexing isn’t a new thing… but Ed wins “Most Creative” for the Game of Thrones references in his post on Google’s history of “Slaps” and deindexing. There will always be change in search – I think that’s what makes it so interesting to some of us crazies.
But, there’s this thing called common sense that seems to be thrown out the window as soon as people look at SEO. If something works, they tend to do it x1000. But it doesn’t always work 1000x better when you do it 1000x more! You might not remember, but there was a time people would put 50 keywords in their meta keyword tag. “If 3-5 keywords worked well, 50 is better!” was the thinking. It seems silly in retrospect, but everything looks silly in retrospect (think chain wallets).
My dad used to say, “Everything in moderation.”
And that includes link building.
Daniel mentioned diversity as far as building links from multiple sources, not just blog networks as well as the velocity and quality of links and Dave mentioned the importance of varying anchor text and where your links are pointing to (not just the homepage). All things you MUST be doing.
I just wrote, as I published some link building test results on Monday, “Keep in mind also that you should never, ever put all your link building eggs in one basket. Use more than one method (i.e. article marketing plus social profiles) and more than one service. That’s just smart link building and smart SEO!”
It’s when you start depending on only one thing that you become vulnerable. Just because social links are “natural” doesn’t mean you’re safe if ALL your links are social links.
That’s why I wrote this post on Link Mixology as far back as 2009 (this isn’t new folks!) emphasizing the importance of including social media, blog comments, press releases and, yes, article syndication in your backlink profile. That’s why I offer 30 Minute Backlinks – to help you diversify your link sources.
Anyone who’s looking down their nose at folks who use a blog network better stop living in a glass house – all link building is black hat, according to Google TOS. Beware the hypocrites who tell you “X” is wrong but their “Y” is good.
Spencer at Nicher Pursuits and Paul Forcey at The Newbie Helper also bring a little bit of levity to the situation.
Be moderate. Don’t be the guy who x1000′s everything. Be thoughtful. Use your common sense. Keep calm and vary your backlinks, no matter where they come from.

Yes, we’ve known for a while there were massive changes in search happening. Panda was only one small indicator. I did a video in February of LAST YEAR on what to look at going forward in SEO. Now’s a good time to re-watch and start implementing:
Special thanks to Dave at Linkvana and Daniel at Article Marketing Automation for being a part of this discussion. You guys are the real deal!





Awesome interview, awesome feedback and awesome “keep calm” poster. I’ll be blunt; This post is why I listen (and purchase) from you. Thanks.
Great article Michelle, as always your on the ball with what’s going on and providing answers to the questions most folks are asking.
Great interview and tips Michelle. Varying your link building efforts is the name of the game and an absolute must. BMR was a great service, too good… that’s what ultimately did them in.
Excellent post Michelle. I am currently experimenting with a combination of viral marketing strategies, diversified backlinks ranging from a select few of article directories and web 2.0′s, plus utilizing social media (part of that viral thing) and sites like Tumblr/STU. Plus focusing on building communities outside of my money sites to eventually lead them back home.
Thanks for all your valuable insights
Nate.
Great article, be interesting to see how this all pans out.
Its funny when you surfed to BMR they were always a PR 2….Why would anyone believe a site about linkbuilding with a PR 2? Stupid gets what it deserves!
I really like the approach that you have taken to this article (taking the time to get interviews). I love the way you always find a way to ADD to the conversation (rather than regurgitating other people’s speculation). Well done (again). Would love to get you on the podcast sometime to talk about 30MBL and other cool stuff. — Mark
Great interview. Have you heard if people that get the “unnatural link building” message get a penalty in addition to losing the network backlinks?
Thanks for the insight and tips. Variety is the spice in life and link building!
Is building content clusters(private blog networks) like Ed Dale explains in the Immediate Edge with aged domains and separate class c IP addresses still an effective strategy. Also into reference link services like linkvana, seo linkvine?
Great interview. I’m passing it along to my list!
I was a member of BMR. It seems my backlink profile was varied enough that I haven’t been hit (unless it’ll take a while to feel the effects).
BMR may have provided a good service to its users, but let’s not lose sight of what it was; spam! I find a lot of people kid themselves that they’re adding value to the internet when they post to these networks, but a quick glance at the sites your stuff gets posted on shows them up for what they are; low value, low traffic, made-for-adsense spam! Same goes for AMA which I’m also a member of.
Personally, I’m going to start focusing more on writing awesome articles, link bait and commentary that people naturally share to drive authority to my sites, rather than feeding my current addiction to blog networks.
Thanks for the helpful facts and advice, Michelle.
Yes, having a mixed portfolio has always been the best way to build back links, but there is a big factor here to consider. Are you willing to take a chance on ANY network right now based on these current changes. The reason I am saying this is because this is just the beginning. If you have been watching Google over the last year, but more importantly, the last 2 months, then you know they have been extremely aggressive about the changes they are making to search. The main and only reason is to boost advertising dollars. I was just reading an article on Search Engine Land which talked about how Vendors are increasingly miffed that Affiliates are outranking them in Search and want Google to do something about it. I think this is the main reason for this. Money talks and Google is listening to want their main Advertisers want.
I respect what the guys you interviewed have to say, but they are not going to say the sky is falling either. Their businesses have a huge member base and they are going to be very careful about what they say in response to something like this. They probably already lost members due to the “Sky is falling” approach everyone has taken across the web.
Excellent Article Michelle.
I’m not a Google apologist. I don’t own Google stock. I have no relatives who work there. But I don’t see the problem with Google wanting to deliver in their search results web sites that have the information people want. After all, if they continue to fall short of that objective, their status and value will erode. When I do a search, I want to see the top ten sites that will HELP me, not the top ten that have the most links on a link farm or network somewhere.
I notice the folks most critical of Google are often—not always, but often are the ones trying to game Google over and over and over.
Ok, so Google is trying to clear the ranks of gimmicks and tricks that SEO “experts” have been making a living on. This is not a statement about all SEO consultants, it’s just that link farming and article spinning and other grey and black stuff didn’t and doesn’t do anything FOR our customers other than convince Google to bring them to us.
I like living in a world where you produce something of value, you promote it ethically, and you get rewarded for your honest efforts.
This was very interesting. Thanks for putting this together.
Michelle Love your recaps as always. Big Fan for Years!
Thank you for all of this information, Michelle – very informative article. Have you heard anything on the status of the Auto Traffic Buddy network? Or anything on Traffic Kahuna, Authority Link Network, SEO Linkvine, Free Traffic System, and Unique Article Wizard?
Great post Michelle! It’s refreshing to see Daniel Tuner and Dave replying here. It would have been nice to hear from UAW too, but I expect we’ll hear something from them on the topic on their blog soon enough.
Have you seen/heard of any signs that UAW has been affected in any significant way?
Do we know whether the owners of the sites that have received the “unnatural link building” warning had any sites with content from any of the affected networks? Even if they were different sites google could follow the whois… This is the part that really worries me, up until now as you and Dan say I would never have thought Google would do this because of the attack campaigns that would follow on sites around the web, but right now things aren’t so clear…
In relation to Stan Dubin,
Hey Stan, the commentary is not so much so that there is or is not a problem with Google delivering exactly what the consumer is searching for on Google and I completely agree with you and believe that Google should do that. I believe Google is trying to do the right thing by it’s searches based on it increasing its revenue. Google will only increase it’s revenue as it increases it’s search results accuracy and I believe we are all for that.
As an SEO Consultant dare I say I am a huge fan of “ONLY” working with clients who are willing to create 100% related internal pages in order to deliver EXACT content and helpful information to the searcher.
EXAMPLE… not sending all traffic to http://www.yellowbikes.com rather creating such internal and dedicated landing pages like http://www.yellowbikes.com/inner-tubes.html and http://www.yellowbikes.com/bike-seats.html.
I am sure you get the idea.
I’m proud to say I have NEVER worked with a client who was not willing to create dedicated landing pages. Here’s the thing though… It can be extremely challenging saying NO to a potential client who is offering to pay you $10,000 or in some cases quite a bit more to rank their genuine business website on page one of Google. They may have a website on yellow bikes but convincing a business owner they need an additional 20 internal pages with 350 words on each page can be and often is the principle that loses the deal. I wonder how many people would say no to 10k or more?
The thing is, even the most honest, hard working and dedicated SEO companies have to deliver results for their clients or they simply don’t have a business hence they likely deliver results to most website owners, if they didn’t do this I am sure their revenue would decrease by staggering amounts and probably even go out of business. It’s a tough call because everyone is in business to make money and SEO companies are no different. SEO companies who don’t have their clients create dedicated landing pages are still trying to deliver quality workmanship to their clients who I am sure are for the most part NOT spammers.
Again, I agree with you in that I am also pleased when I search Google and am rewarded with a related answer to my question rather than searching past the first page results with frustration.
MICHELLE… Thank you for doing what you do, you’re are a welcomed relief and perfect reference to the genuine SEO companies out there.
Wishing you all well,
Mark B
Sydney Australia
Hi Michelle, I just stared putting all my websites (20+) in google webmaster tool. Is this advisable? Am I providing a footprint for google? Incase some of the membership site that I join are sending “unnatural link building” to my sites.
Hi Michelle, Great Article and thanks for taking the time to share this. I think that what Google is doing is definately the rightb approach and I actiauuly believe this will create great opportunity for businesses and core niche marketers to use “Real” original content to rank highly in the search engines.
I was told a LONG time ago that link building, article writing and just plain common sense would be like virtual realestate….
Hey Michelle, Not saying you haven’t (I just might not have caught it), What about One-Hour Backlinks? What is different about their service, from say Linkvana or AMA?
I mean, they all build quality backlinks, but I am less familiar with Linkvana, AMA, or Linx Boss, as I haven’t used them personally. I know with One Hour you can purchase PR1+ links and links that are already indexed. Does that matter to Google? How and Why?
To me, the lesson learned here is, “Never put all your eggs in one basket”.
I never have and I never will.
Anytime you rely on one stream of income in this business, or one way of doing anything, you are just setting yourself up for failure.
Great post. Great ending statement.
I totally agree on link diversity.. this is exactly what I tell my subscribers.. so that link devaluing wont affect them long term.. diverse link and quality content.. no crappy thin spammy sites either.. You put crap in to speak you will only get crap back in terms of results..
Thanks for this post Michelle. Can’t say I can pretend to understand all this in any great depth but I think you guy are doing an awesome job keeping most of us on the straight and narrow. Just as long as we follow the advice provided of course.
This is a good editorial article. really but IMHO interviewing the very same “companies” that allow this type of spam is really not fair to the SEO community that build links in an ethical way. I don’t agree that building backlinks is a black/grey hat thin in google eyes ( yes they have always said that) but is the way people builds backlink. One might create an article , “promote” it with useful comments on a good blog ( this is natural thing) but that is where they stop.. plus the quality of content is so low that no one wants to share it forward. That is where the whole issue comes down to. Blog networks are just another place for people to spam, manipulate SE’s and put crap out. I am glad Big G is finally taking a step in deleting this crap and stopping lazy (98%) of IMrs out there. I DO agree with you that link diversity is the way to go, but naturally.
Google drives the lions share of traffic to my clients sites. So, I am forced to deal with the giant. Many Bto B companies don’t find the purchasing agents looking for free ebooks or free webinars on facebook..so its time to create new plan for content creation and syndication.